How can I find the next number in this series?
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How can I find the next number in this series? Are "complete this series" problems well defined?
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Since there are infinitely many formulas that will fit any finite
series, many people object that such problems have no good answer. But
isn't this a special case of the general observation that theory is
underdetermined by experience (in other words, that there are a lot of
world views that are consistent with all the facts that we know)? And
if so, doesn't this objection really apply to all puzzles? Isn't it
just more obvious in the case of series puzzles?
As a long-time observer of rec.puzzles nit-picking, I have never seen a
puzzle answer that could not be challenged. The list of assumptions
made in solving any puzzle is neverending. Luckily, most of us share
all or nearly all of these assumptions, so that we can agree on an
answer when we see it.
All of this has a lot to do with topics such as computational
complexity, algorithmic compressibility, Church's thesis, intelligence
and life.
However, if you really have a series you need to find, you may be in
luck. The most comprehensive collection of series in the world is
available via email. It is:
The On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences
N. J. A. Sloane
AT&T Bell Labs, Murray Hill, New Jersey
with the assistance of Simon Plouffe
Universite' du Quebec a' Montreal
To look up a sequence in the Encyclopedia, send mail to
sequences@research.att.com
containing a line of the form
lookup 4 9 16 25 36
for each sequence (up to a limit of 5) that you would like looked up.
The reply will report all sequences found in the Encyclopedia (up to a
limit of 7) that match: your sequence, your sequence with 1 subtracted
from each term, your sequence with 1 added to each term.
If there are too many matches, of course you should try again giving
more terms!
Notation:
%I = identification line: Annnn = absolute catalogue number of sequence,
Nnnnn = number (if any) in "Handbook of Integer Sequences" (1973)
%S, %T = beginning of sequence
%N = name, %R = references, %Y = cross-references, %A = authority,
%F = formula (if not included in %N line),
%O = offset = [a,b]: a is subscript of first entry, b gives the
position of the first entry >= 2.
References to journals give volume, page, year.
New sequences, comments, corrections, extensions, etc.,
accompanied whenever possible by references, should be sent to:
N. J. A. Sloane, ATT Bell Labs, Room 2C-376,
600 Mountain Ave, Murray Hill, NJ 07974, USA.
email: njas@research.att.com, fax: 908 582 3340, voice: 908 582 2005
Ideally, new sequences and other contributions should follow
the standard format, which is illustrated by:
%I A1034 N2311
%S A1034 60,168,360,504,660,1092,2448,2520,3420,4080,5616,6048,6072,7800,
%T A1034 7920,9828,12180,14880,20160,25308,25920,29120,32736,34440,39732,51888
%N A1034 Orders of non-cyclic simple groups.
%R A1034 DI58 309. LE70 137. ATLAS.
%O A1034 1,1
%A A1034 njas
Of course the Annnn number has to be assigned by me, so use A0000 if
sending a new sequence. The %S and %T lines are restricted to a total
of 144 characters (digits and commas only, no blanks) The %N line may
contain mathematical formulae, which are presently set in troff (though
tex or latex are also acceptable). %R If a new sequence is from a
preprint, please send me a copy (hard or soft), also all available
publication details. If from a journal or book, please give all
details, including page numbers. %A Use your email address as the
authority. E.g. %A A0000 mary@this.that.edu %O Described above, but
here is an example:
%S A2885 1,1,0,1,0,0,1,2,0,4,7,0,12,8,0,80,84,0,820
%N A2885 Cyclic Steiner triple systems of order $2n+1$.
%R A2885 GU70 504.
%O A2885 0,8
The "0" means that the first entry gives the number of cyclic Steiner
systems of order 2n+1 when n=0. The 8 means that the 8-th term is the
first that is >= 1 (this determines the place of the sequence in the
lexicographic order in the table).
Additional material
Navid Haddadi (haddadi@sipi.usc.edu) asks:
Am I missing something or are the questions of this type
(i.e. next number in the sequence) meaningless?
This is a philosophical question with a long history. Two examples
from this century are Wittgenstein's discussion of following a rule in
Philosophical Investigations (where he states, e.g., "This is our
paradox: no course of action could be determined by a rule, because
every course of action can be made to accord with the rule"), and Nelson
Goodman's all emeralds are blue/all emeralds are green paradox which
points out the emptiness of saying the future will be like the past
because there are an infinite number of possible descriptions of the
past. Shades of the same problem can be found as far back as Plato.
The bottom line is that being intelligent (e.g., in the sense of being
able to complete such a series) may simply amount to giving the same
answer we intelligent people give.
-- John McLean <mclean@itd.nrl.navy.mil>
[ Editor: the help file of N. J. A. Sloane's "superseeker" e-mail
service, as returned to Chris Cole in May 1998, copied in full. The
addresses are as given then; the Encyclopedia is now at oeis.org. ]
Greetings from "superseeker". This program will accept a
sequence of integers and try very hard to find an explanation.
It is based on several things:
1. The On-Line Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences
N. J. A. Sloane
AT&T Research Labs, Florham Park, NJ 07932-0971 USA
2. The Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences, by N. J. A. Sloane
and S. Plouffe, published by Academic Press, 1995.
3. The "gfun" Maple package of Bruno Salvy and Paul Zimmerman.
4. A Mathematica program from Olivier Gerard to carry out various
sequence transformations.
5. And also incorporates many new programs.
INSTRUCTIONS:
To submit a sequence, send mail to
superseeker@research.att.com
containing a line of the form
lookup 1 2 4 6 10 14 20 26 36 46 60 74 94 114
The terms must be separated by spaces (not commas).
It is best to give between 10 and 20 terms.
Only one request may be submitted at a time, and (since this
program does some serious computing), only one request per user
per hour. (There is a list of special users who are exempt from
this restriction. If you feel you have a genuine need to be
placed on this list, send mail to njas@research.att.com, giving
your reasons!)
[To simply look up sequences in the Encyclopedia, it is
more efficient to use the on-line server at
sequences@research.att.com
- send an empty email message to that address to get instructions.}
RECOMMENDATIONS:
. Start from the beginning of the sequence (although of course
keep in mind that different people may define the zero-th
term (say) in different ways
. Minus signs (if any) should be INCLUDED, since most of the
programs will make use of them
. If you receive 10 matches from the Encyclopedia, try again
giving more terms
. If you give too many terms, it will tie up my machine for a long
time, and my boss will be unhappy
. For an array of numbers, try looking up the individual
rows, columns or diagonals, whichever seem appropriate
. The program is (mostly) concerned only with infinite sequences
. The program only handles integers. (For a sequence of
rationals, try the sequences of numerators and
denominators separately.)
. The word "lookup" may only appear once in the message
The "subject" line is thrown away.
TESTS USED
The program will apply some or all of the following tests.
(The program gives up once it has found a sufficient number
of possible explanations. The more trivial the sequence,
the less time the program will spend studying it.
Also some of these tests are not applicable to all sequences.
Only potentially useful results are reported.)
. Look up in the Encyclopedia both the sequence and the sequence
with the first term omitted.
(The reply will report all matches found, up to a limit of 7.)
. Test if a(n) is a polynomial in n [a(n) denotes the n-th term]
In other words, are the differences of some order constant?
. Test if the differences of some order are periodic.
(Suppose the kth order differences are d(1), ...,d(n).
They are said to be periodic if there is a number p, the period,
with 1 <= p <= n-2, such that d(i) = d(j) whenever i = j (mod p).)
. Test if any row of the difference table of some depth is essentially
constant. This detects such sequences as 4^n - n^4.
(Let the usual difference table be
a(0), a(1), a(2), ...
b(0), b(1), ...
c(0), c(1), ...
....
This is the difference table of depth 1. The table of depth 2
has as top row
a(0), b(0), c(0), ...;
and so on.)
. For a 2-valued sequence, find the 6 characteristic integer sequences
and look them up in the table
(Suppose the sequence takes the values X and Y. The 6
characteristic sequences, all equivalent to the original,
are: replace X,Y by 1,2; by 2,1; the positions of the X's,
of the Y's; the run lengths; and the derivative, i.e. the positions
where the sequence changes.)
. Form the generating functions (g.f.) for the sequence for each of
the following 6 types:
ogf ordinary generating function
egf exponential generating function
revogf reversion of ordinary generating function
revegf reversion of exponential generating function
lgdogf logarithmic derivative of ordinary generating function
lgdegf logarithmic derivative of exponential generating function
and attempt to represent them as rational functions,
hypergeometric series, or the solution to a linear differential
equation with polynomial coefficients.
. Look for a linear recurrence with polynomial coefficients for the
coefficients of the above 6 types of g.f.'s.
. Look for a polynomial equation in y and x for the g.f. y(x) of each
of the above 6 types.
. Apply the transformations listed below to the sequence and look up
the result in the table. Stop when 10 matches have been found.
. If the original sequence is not in the table, find the 3 closest
sequences in the table using the L1 metric.
(If the original sequence is a(1),...,a(n), and s(1),...,s(m)
is a sequence in the table, compute SUM |a(i)-s(i)| ; i=1..min(n,m);
i.e. the sum of the absolute values of the differences betweeen the
given sequence and the one in the table. Only sequences for
which this is less than 20 are considered, and the <= 3 best
are reported.)
This will pick up cases in which you have sent in more terms
than are in the table. It may also correct errors in your
sequence or in the table.
. Test if the sequence is a Beatty sequence; also test if the sequence
itself or the sequence of partial sums is quasi-linear.
(A Beatty sequence is one in which the n-th term is [nz],
where z is irrational. The complementary sequence is [ny],
where 1/x + 1/y = 1. Refs: N. J. A. Sloane,
Handbook of Integer Sequences, 1973, p. 29; R. Honsberger,
Ingenuity in Mathematics, 1970, p. 93. If this is a Beatty
sequence the value given for z will produce the given terms,
but is very far from being unique.
We define a sequence to be "quasi-linear" if its squared
correlation coeffient with the sequence of natural numbers 1,2,3,4,...
exceeds .999. A Beatty sequence is necessarily quasilinear.)
. If the original sequence is not in the table, find the 3 closest
sequences in the table in the sense of having the largest
squared correlation coefficient, using the Maple Rsquared
function. Only coefficients >.999 are considered, and of these
the 3 best are noted. If there are more than 3 with the
same highest correlation, only the first 3 found are reported.
This test is intended to detect - among other things - sequences
of the form a*S + b, where S is a sequence in the table and
a,b are unknown constants. Later: This test has been withdrawn!
. Other tests are in preparation
LIST OF TRANSFORMATIONS THAT MAY BE APPLIED
Abbreviations used in the following list of transformations:
u[j] = j-th term of the sequence
v[j] = u[j]/(j-1)!
Sn(z) = ordinary generating function
En(z) = exponential generating function
T001 the sequence itself
T002 integers not in the sequence
T003 sequence divided by the gcd of its elements
T004 sequence divided by the gcd of its elements, from the 2nd term
T005 sequence divided by the gcd of its elements, from the 3rd term
T006 elements of odd index in the sequence
T007 elements of even index in the sequence
T008 sequence u[j]/(j-1)!
T009 sequence u[j]*j
T010 sequence u[j]/j!
T011 sequence 2*u[j]
T012 sequence 3*u[j]
T013 coefficients of 1/Sn(z)^2
T014 coefficients of Sn(z)^2
T015 coefficients of 1/Sn(z)
T016 coefficients of Sn(z)*(1+z)/(1-z)
T017 coefficients of Sn(z)*(1-z)/(1+z)
T018 sequence u[j+1]-u[j]
T019 sequence u[j+2]-2*u[j+1]+u[j]
T020 sequence u[j+3]-3*u[j+2]-3*u[j+1]+u[j]
T021 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1-z)
T022 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1-z)^2
T023 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1-z)^3
T024 sequence u[j]+u[j+1]
T025 sequence u[j]+u[j+2]
T026 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1+z)
T027 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1+z^2)
T028 sequence u[j]+u[j+1]+u[j+2]
T029 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1+z+z^2)
T030 sequence u[j+2]-u[j]
T031 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1-z^2)
T032 sequence u[j+2]-u[j+1]-u[j]
T033 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1-z-z^2)
T034 sequence u[j]+j
T035 sequence u[j]+2
T036 sequence u[j]+3
T037 sequence u[j]-j
T038 sequence u[j]-2
T039 sequence u[j]-3
T040 sequence u[j]+1
T041 sequence u[j]-1
T042 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1-z+z^2)
T043 sequence u[j+2]-u[j+1]+u[j]
T044 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1+z-z^2)
T045 sequence u[j]+u[j+1]-u[j+2]
T046 sequence u[j]+2*u[j+1]+u[j+2]
T047 sequence u[j]+3*u[j+1]+3*u[j+2]+u[j+3]
T048 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1+z)^2
T049 coefficients of Sn(z)/(1+z)^3
T050 jth coefficient of Sn(z)*(1-z)^j
T051 jth coefficient of Sn(z)*(1+z)^j
T052 jth coefficient of Sn(z)/(1-z)^j
T053 jth coefficient of Sn(z)/(1+z)^j
T054 coefficients of 1/En(z)^2
T055 coefficients of En(z)^2
T056 coefficients of 1/En(z)
T057 coefficients of En(z)*(1+z)/(1-z)
T058 coefficients of En(z)*(1-z)/(1+z)
T059 sequence v[j+1]-v[j]
T060 sequence v[j+2]-2*v[j+1]+v[j]
T061 sequence v[j+3]-3*v[j+2]-3*v[j+1]+v[j]
T062 coefficients of En(z)/(1-z)
T063 coefficients of En(z)/(1-z)^2
T064 coefficients of En(z)/(1-z)^3
T065 sequence v[j]+v[j+1]
T066 sequence v[j]+v[j+2]
T067 coefficients of En(z)/(1+z)
T068 coefficients of En(z)/(1+z^2)
T069 sequence v[j]+v[j+1]+v[j+2]
T070 coefficients of En(z)/(1+z+z^2)
T071 sequence v[j+2]-v[j]
T072 coefficients of En(z)/(1-z^2)
T073 sequence v[j+2]-v[j+1]-v[j]
T074 coefficients of En(z)/(1-z-z^2)
T075 sequence v[j]+j
T076 sequence v[j]+2
T077 sequence v[j]+3
T078 sequence v[j]-j
T079 sequence v[j]-2
T080 sequence v[j]-3
T081 sequence u[j]+j!
T082 sequence u[j]-j!
T083 coefficients of En(z)/(1-z+z^2)
T084 sequence v[j+2]-v[j+1]+v[j]
T085 coefficients of En(z)/(1+z-z^2)
T086 sequence v[j]+v[j+1]-v[j+2]
T087 sequence v[j]+2*v[j+1]+v[j+2]
T088 sequence v[j]+3*v[j+1]+3*v[j+2]+v[j+3]
T089 coefficients of En(z)/(1+z)^2
T090 coefficients of En(z)/(1+z)^3
T091 jth coefficient of En(z)*(1-z)^j
T092 jth coefficient of En(z)*(1+z)^j
T093 jth coefficient of En(z)/(1-z)^j
T094 jth coefficient of En(z)/(1+z)^j
T095 coefficients of product( 1/(1-z^j)^u[j], j=1..inf )
T096 inverse transform to T095, which was "coefficients of product( 1/(1-z^j)^u[j], j=1..inf )"
T097 coefficients of product( 1/(1-z^j)^v[j], j=1..inf )
T098 inverse transform to T097, which was "coefficients of product( 1/(1-z^j)^v[j], j=1..inf )"
T099 sort terms, remove duplicates
T100 binomial transform: b(n)=SUM C(n,k)a(k), k=0..n
T101 inverse binomial transform: b(n)=SUM (-1)^(n-k)*C(n,k)*a(k), k=0..n
T102 boustrophedon transform (see http://www.research.att.com/~njas/doc/bous.ps)
T103 inverse boustrophedon transform (see http://www.research.att.com/~njas/doc/bous.ps)
T104 Euler transform: define b by 1+SUM b(n)x^n = PRODUCT (1-x^n)^-a(n)
T105 inverse Euler transform: define b by 1+SUM a(n)x^n = PRODUCT (1-x^n)^-b(n)
T106 exponentiate: define b by 1 + EGF_B (x) = exp EGF_A (x)
T107 exponential convolution, expand EGF(x)^2
T108 invert: define b by 1+SUM b(n)x^n = 1/(1 - SUM a(n)x^n)
T109 invert: define b by 1+SUM a(n)x^n = 1/(1 - SUM b(n)x^n)
T110 log: define b by EGF of b = log (EGF of a)
T111 Mobius: define b by b(n)=SUM mu(n/d)*a(d), d divides n
T112 inverse Mobius: define b by b(n)=SUM a(d), d divides n
T113 multiply all except leading terms by 2
T114 Stirling-2 transform: b(n) = SUM S(n,k)a(k), k=0..n
T115 Stirling-1 transform: b(n) = SUM s(n,k)a(k), k=0..n
NOTATION USED IN THE ENCYCLOPEDIA
%I = identification line:
Annnnnn = absolute catalogue number of sequence,
Mnnnn = number in "The Encyclopedia of Integer Sequences"
by N.J.A. Sloane and S. Plouffe,
Academic Press, San Diego, CA, 1995.
Nnnnn = number (if any) in "Handbook of Integer Sequences" (1973)
%S, %T, %U = beginning of sequence (with all signs omitted)
%V, %W, %X = signed version of sequence if appropriate and if known
(we are gradually adding these)
%N = name
%R = references
references to journals give volume, page, year.
%Y = cross-references to other sequences
%F = formula (if not included in %N line),
%A = authority
%O = offset = [a,b]: a is subscript of first entry, b gives the
position of the first entry >= 2.
%H = URL address of source
%D = details of references
%p = Maple; %t = Mathematica; %o = other computer languages
%K = keywords, as follows:
base: dependent on base used for sequence
bref: sequence is too short to do any analysis with
cofr: a continued fraction expansion of a number
cons: a decimal expansion of a number
core: an important sequence
dumb: an unimportant sequence
easy: it is very easy to produce terms of sequence
fini: a finite sequence
frac: numerators or denominators of sequence of rationals
hard: next term not known, may be hard to find.
would someone please extend this sequence?
huge: contains terms too big for Fortran or C
look: need to find out if this sequence contains negative numbers
and if it does we need a copy of the signed version
(see below)
more: we need more terms! would someone please extend this sequence?
nonn: a sequence of nonnegative numbers
sign: sequence contains negative numbers
we need %V, %W, %X lines (matching the %S,T,U lines)
giving the signed sequence
tabl: typically a triangle of numbers, such as Pascal's triangle,
made into a sequence by reading it row by row.
word: depends on words in some language for the sequence
CONTRIBUTING NEW SEQUENCES TO THE ENCYCLOPEDIA:
New sequences, comments, corrections, extensions, etc.,
accompanied whenever possible by references, should be sent to:
N. J. A. Sloane, AT&T Labs-Research, Room C233,
PO Box 971, 180 Park Ave, Florham Park NJ 07932-0971 U.S.A.
email: njas@research.att.com
The sequences should be infinite (although some very long finite
ones are also included). Only nonnegative sequences are included:
negative numbers are replaced by their absolute values.
COMMON ERRORS:
Make sure that
the word "lookup" does not appear in the message in the same line as
any non-numeric characters. Make sure that the lookup line
has the form
lookup 1 4 9 16 25 GOOD!
and avoid any lines that say things like:
Subject: lookup please BAD!
Subject: lookup BAD!
Subject: lookup 1 4 9 16 25 BAD!
To: lookup <sequences@research.att.com> BAD!
lookup 1,4,9,16,... [no commas or dots are allowed!] BAD!
lookup 1 4 9 16 ? BAD!
In a submission to superseeker the word "lookup" may only
appear once in the entire message.
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[ Editor: a sci.math discussion of December 1993 - January 1994 on
whether "next number" questions have a best answer, which grew out of
the Titan test sequences (see series/titan.sequences). ]
Manoj P Samanta (samanta@en.ecn.purdue.edu) wrote:
: Article <SGAURE.93Dec29154804@ask.uio.no> says:
: >> I just solved it in under 30 seconds. What does that make my IQ?
: >>
: >> 2 = 2
: >> 15 = 3 * 5
: >> 1001 = 7 * 11 * 13
: >> 215441 = 17 * 19 * 23 * 29
: >> 95041567 = 31 * 37 * 41 * 43 * 47
: >
: >This is of course wrong, it's way too simple for an IQ test.
: >There's no real *logic* in this solution.
: Are you joking ? I do not know how *real* logic is defined, but I can
: clearly see some logic in this solution.
I have always been baffled by ``puzzles'' of this sort. I would like
someone to explain what is meant by `` Find the next integer in the
following sequence a1, a2, a3, a4, a5,...''.
Presumably you are intended to find some computational ``rule'' which
given the first n terms of the sequence will yield the n+1 term. But
in general there are infinitely many such rules given only finitely
many terms in the sequence.
OK. So we are intended to find the simplest such ``rule''.
My question is ``Is there always a reasonable criterion for what is
the simplest rule?'' and ``Does such a simplest rules always exist?''.
-- Jeremy Wilson <jcrw@fmg.bt.co.uk>
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In the simple minds of IQ-test creators such rules always exist. If
you ask those minds to specify the criterion they will not do that. I
guess that's because the criteria for simpleness can't be communicated
to people with low IQ. From that I can deduce that I must have low IQ;
hence I'm not able to discuss this properly. Still I try to do so, so
in fact I'm unable to recognise my own low IQ, this lowers the IQ by at
least 17, to a level where I can cope with it. At least I think so.
This rises many interesting questions, but I'm unable to understand
them, I would guess.
:-)
-- Simen Gaure <sgaure@ask.uio.no>
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I agree with the sentiment here.
Suppose for example one were given the sequence:
1, 4, 9, 16, 25, ....
and asked for the "simplest" explanation for this sequence. One
obvious answer is the set of consecutive squares in Z. But is this the
"simplest"? I would say not. I can give a simpler answer, which
requires far less knowledge of mathematics: This is simply an
increasing set of integers. Is the explanation "increasing set of
integers" any simpler than "successive squares"? I think it is because
it is a more general answer, and requires fewer specifications to
define the sequence.
What these puzzle makers seem to want is: 'find a "clever" and
"unique" explanation for this series and give the next number'. They
are too stupid to realize of course, that there are many such
explanations and no unique answer.
-- Bob Silverman <bs@gauss.mitre.org>
[ Editor: Silverman's two "obligatory puzzles" are in
series/titan.sequences. ]
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I also agree to this point. One very good example was to find the
next alphabet in this sequence o t t f. It was given to some kids
and they immediately answered 'f' matching with first letters of one,
two, three .... When given to graduate students, they took hours and
could not come up with any satisfactory reply. Is IQ (if anything
like that exists) higher in kids than graduates?
-- Manoj P Samanta <samanta@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
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Simplicity can of course be described explicitly: The simplicity (or
perhaps I should say complexity) of a sequence is the length of the
first program that generates it, where programs are ordered first by
length in tokens and then by any ordering on the tokens. A generating
program is one that prints the n-th element of the sequence when given
the number n as input.
The next number in a sequence is the one given by the first program
that generates the previous elements.
Of course, this relies on the choice of programming language. Granted,
certainly the simplicity of a series x will be different when measured
with one language than with another -- but in how many languages will
_different_ next numbers be generated given the definition above?
I would expect that in any programming language in common use, the
first program that generates 1, 4, 9, 16, and 25 would generate 36
next. Can you show a program that generates a different number yet
precedes every program that simply prints n*n?
It could be argued that this still leaves the ambiguous, somewhat
arbitrary "common use" in the definition. But while without this
definition simplicity is a somewhat vague concept, this definition is
much more focused -- to support an alternate next number, one would
have to present an obviously contrived programming language. The
boundary between simple and complex is sharpened and made apparent.
-- Eric Postpischil <edp@rusure.enet.dec.com>
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For many of these IQ-test sorts of sequences, I would expect the
shortest program to be one that has hardwired in values. (Imagine
writing a program some other way that got the sequence
When, in, the, course, of, human, ___
right.) I don't think that this is that useful a definition in
practice.
-- David Carlton <carlton@husc.harvard.edu>
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Well, we have to compare the following programs (although someone can
probably find some efficiency improvement).
main(){while (1) do printf("1,4,9,16,25,");}
main(){int n=0; while(++n) do printf("%d,",n*n);}
I think this is debatable. We can probably even trim off the "25" to
favor the first program more.
>The boundary between simple and complex is sharpened and made
>apparent.
This approach has all the advantages and disadvantages of any attempt
to make a vague concept precise: there can now be no argument about
which rule is "simpler," but inevitably the precise concept will fail
to capture the original intuition in some crucial instances.
-- Tim Chow <tycchow@math.mit.edu>
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Well, the first program does not define a proper series. Output does
not depend on n. The program should be such that if I want say, 7th
no., program will automatically generate it.
-- Manoj P Samanta <samanta@en.ecn.purdue.edu>
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In article <2futq7$pv5@linus.mitre.org> bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D.
Silverman) writes:
>In article <SGAURE.93Dec30161400@ask.uio.no> sgaure@ask.uio.no (Simen
>Gaure) writes:
>>In the simple minds of IQ-test creators such rules always exist. If
>>you ask those minds to specify the criterion they will not do that.
No, the reason is that the concept of simplicity has no satisfactory
explicit description. However, I do not think that this means that the
concept of simplicity is an invalid one. If I were to ask you to
specify the criterion by which you judge that a mathematical proof or
theory or theorem is "deep" or "elegant" or "beautiful" or "powerful"
or "obvious," you would probably not answer either. But that does not
mean that these concepts are illegitimate.
>One obvious answer is the set of consecutive squares in Z. But is this
>the "simplest"? I would say not. I can give a simpler answer, which
>requires far less knowledge of mathematics: This is simply an
>increasing set of integers.
However, suppose you were doing research and were computing explicitly
a few small examples of whatever you were investigating. Suppose the
above sequence manifested itself. Would you say to yourself, "This is
simply an increasing set of integers. I will therefore pick an
arbitrary integer greater than 25 and conjecture that that is the next
number in the sequence." You guess 47, and compute the next number.
It turns out to be 36. "Well, I guess 47 was wrong, but it's still an
increasing sequence. Let me see if I can prove that the sequence is
increasing." Say you find such a proof. Would you stop there? *I*
sure wouldn't!
Of course we all know that there are infinitely many rules compatible
with a given finite sequence of integers. So what? In the majority of
cases on IQ tests, it is clear which rule is the "simplest" even if we
cannot precisely define what "simplest" means.
Such discussion is not necessarily idle. It is common experience that
in mathematics (also in science, though perhaps less so), the
"simpler" conjectures are often the most fruitful. Thus the ability to
recognize simplicity is valuable. So I don't think that Gaure and
Silverman have given valid arguments against questions of this sort.
(This doesn't mean that I think that such questions measure some kind
of innate mental property.)
-- Tim Chow <tycchow@math.mit.edu>
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In article <1993Dec31.001919.26609@xsoft.xerox.com> dhall@hv-3 (Donn
Hall) writes:
> >edp@math.zk3.dec.com (Eric Postpischil) asks:
> >
> >>I would expect that in any programming language in common use, the
> >>first program that generates 1, 4, 9, 16, and 25 would generate 36
> >>next. Can you show a program that generates a different number yet
> >>precedes every program that simply prints n*n?
>
> >printf("1, 4, 9, 16, 25, 0"); ?
>
> f(n) = n*n + g(n)*{(n-1)*(n-2)*(n-3)*(n-4)*(n-5)}/5! where n=1,2,...
>
> f(n) produces 1,4,9,16,25, and then any arbitary number you wish as a
> function of g(6)
While there may be some ambiguity about which is the shortest program,
that ambiguity will disappear as the specified initial sequence grows
longer. For a sufficiently long initial sequence, the program to
display n**2 will be shorter than either of the two above. In general,
the simple printf("...") will always lose for a non-random sequence.
Indeed, that can be the basis of a definition of "random". [cf.
Chaitin's work on algorithmic information theory]
-- Dan Prener <prener@watson.ibm.com>
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In article <2fvq99$1qt@linus.mitre.org>, bs@gauss.mitre.org (Robert D.
Silverman) writes:
>But which rule is "simpler" is now dependent on the choice of
>language.
I said that in my posting. But the definition is still sharper,
because the dependency is weak -- you can choose C, FORTRAN, Pascal,
and many other languages and still find that 36 is the next number
following 1, 4, 9, 16, and 25.
How would you explain the observation that programs that generate n*n
are shorter than other programs that generate 1, 4, 9, 16, and 25
followed by something other than 36 in almost all languages in common
use? Is that just random chance? If it is not random chance, it must
be something else -- what?
Is it just human prejudices, or would you expect languages developed by
other intelligences to show similar results?
-- Eric Postpischil <edp@rusure.enet.dec.com>