How fast do electrons travel through a wire, and if they are slow, why does the light come on almost the...
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How fast do electrons travel through a wire, and if they are slow, why does the light come on almost the instant we turn on the switch? [ Editor: problem statement reconstructed from the postings, a thread titled "heavy electrons". ]
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In article <5a202m$fni@news2.i-2000.com>, frankmi@i-2000.com (Frank Michaels) writes: Tough to say exactly who wrote: >>>Hmm. Disclaimer: I'm not a physicist. But don't most electrons travel >>>at or near the speed of light anyway? > >>Uh, no, they don't. When you speak, the sound of your voice travels >>at "the speed of sound," around 600 mph, but that does not mean that >>the air travelling out of your mouth goes 600 mph. I forget what the >>speed of electrons travelling through a wire is, but it's surprisingly >>slow. Good analogy! >It's approximately 85% the speed of light, which is fast, but *is* >surprisingly slow when compared to photons. At 85% the speed of light, >electron mass does not appreciably increase due to relativity. At .85 c, an electron's kinetic energy (via E=.5mv^2) equals (approximately) .185 MeV. This is definitely "appreciable" compared to the rest energy of .511 MeV, so we're in relativistic territory at .85c. However, electrons traveling in a wire travel at nowhere near this velocity! The approximate drift velocity is given by v=I/nqA where I is the current in the wire, n is the number of free electrons per cm^3 in the wire, q is the charge on an electron, and A is the cross sectional area of the wire. A typical copper wire might have a drift velocity of only 10^-4 m/s! This is less than a millionth of a millionth of the speed of light! (Another way to think of it--that's about one meter per hour!) Why then, if the electrons travel so slowly, do we see light the instant (almost) we turn on a light switch? By way of analogy, consider a pipe already filled with water. If we put a drop in one end, another drop will have to be forced out the other end almost immediately, even though it might take a very long time for an individual drop to make it through. The process is similar in many other areas of life, including transmission of sound, as stated above. I hope this sheds a bit of light on the issue. (By the way, I _am_ a physicist. But that doesn't mean I don't make mistakes!) -- Stan Guthrie <gsg5501@msu.oscs.montana.edu> [ Editor: two figures are rough. The speed of sound in air at sea level is about 760 mph, not 600. And 10^-4 m/s x 3600 s/hour = 0.36 meter per hour, so "about one meter per hour" is a generous rounding; the comparison with light holds: 10^-4 / (3 x 10^8) = 3 x 10^-13. ]